Hang Tuah’s Origin

1. MalayGuy

   on April 16th, 2006
   1

   nonsense la…u think hang tuah is chinese blood huh…suxxx..hang tuah is MALAY….MALAY IS MALAY

2. Anonymous

   on June 9th, 2006
   2

   It all comes down to what does Malay, Chinese or Indian race mean. What is race? how are we different? We are all biologically of ths same species and race is normally defined “A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics” But if you look at Malaysia’s history everything is blended. Persian traders, Indian & Chinese, Indonesian they all came to Malaysia and look around you don’t you see these genetic traces in the faces around you? Also I read that the Sultan of Johor in the 18th century had a Romanian wife,but so what if our background is all mixed anyway, mathematically as a species we had to originate from a similar family so if you go back far enough in time our ancestors were quite close!(this is all theory anyway) But what I’m trying to say is we should be proud of our differences and our culture but not to the extent we seclude ourselves from each other completely. We are all homo sapiens…and biologically the more different two mates are genetically the stronger the offspring so nature wants us to blend! Well that’s my rant

3. Anonymous

   on November 12th, 2006
   3

   malayguy..how u would u knoe if hang tuah is a malay. u make no sense. being a chinese is not “SUXXXX” either.

4. tng lang kia

   on December 24th, 2006
   4

   becoz he is malay guy lor,hang tu-ah is their mistery hero ma,they wont go n check the truth.
   ya,y so rude…chinese the best…i think u r using a lot of chinese product now a day from china but r we
   using malay product beside proton car(technology from mitsubishi japan also and claim as buatan malaysia..haha)

5. Anonymous

   on December 24th, 2006
   5

   look a this weside then u will understand

   http://malaysianatheist.blogspot.com/2006/11/is-hang-tuah-chinese-part-1_20.html

   http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/archive/index.php/t-5986.html

6. Anonymous

   on December 27th, 2006
   6

   Whether Hang Too Ah or Hang Tuah is ain’t important. They are just human being like us. Why should there be a question on the race? He is just a heroic/ legend of the past and no question should be raise!! Such thinking of you guys are degrading to your ownself.

   We are Malaysian, whether we are chinese, indian or malays, we are not the origin to this Land we called Malaysia today. This will create dis-unity to our own country. The origin to this Land are the Aborigines.

   We are just settlers backdated perhaps 700 years back. So, everyone who wanted comment whether Hang Tuah or Hang Too Ah should think deep before commenting on this.

   Damn!!!!

7. Anonymous

   on December 31st, 2006
   7

   It was an eye-opening experience for me, triggered by Malaysia’s latest hit movie ‘Puteri Gunung Ledang, to learn that the legendary warrior Hang Tuah, famed for his unrivalled loyalty, was originally known as Daeng Mempawah from the Tanah Bugis, famed for Silat Seni Gayong, of Makassar, brought to Melaka by Seri Bija Pikrama as a gift from Raja Goa to Sultan Mansur Syah. Perhaps it is the Bugis trademark for loyalty was that which led Hang Tuah to the equally infamous duel of honor leading to the death of his best friend Hang Jebat.
   Hence,it could just be that Hang Tuah was a Bugis with chinese heritage traces back to the sons of the 500covoys that came back with sultan for all we know.We never know.

8. StopCrappingz!

   on January 17th, 2007
   8

   Wht the heck man..Malaysian la..No me,u,or i wan lah..it’s we n us mah..People are prejudice..It’s not abt how we look or where we came from,it’s abt our love for M’sia.I knw we all have it in our souls.Cmon lah.Stop being prejudice!!..It stops M’sia from being a better place to live.So..PEACE..No more Malays..No more Chinese..No more..Indians..No more nothing.It’s Malaysians.

9. Cina Beng

   on April 25th, 2007
   9

   Aiya fren, HangTuah, Chinese or Malay mou lan tiu la …… he is dead anyway. Actually in Malaysia hor, i think although we r separated by racen unequavalent in Economy distribution but i see Malay Chinese & Indian gets along really fine la, especially in kampung on also in City, the really fucktup one is the fuckin government, always reminding the citizen to separate ourself, to be suspicious of each other, hey we r good buddies here man, if gov wanna fight, fight urself la, why wanna split us good buddies between Malay Chinese & Indian friends ?

10. biar

    on May 27th, 2007
    10

    Major sources cite
    The Federal Association of Arc & Research of Michigan, USA
    for discovery and justification of this article ( its everywhere on blogs)

    but

    The Federal Association of Arc & Research of Michigan, USA ? ?

    If it exists, the homepage is going to turn up on google. I mean really.

    Ironically, the only things that DO come up are other blogs with this Tuah is a Chinese article.

    Anyways F it lah, malay or chinese, he did protect a malay sultan.
    And we still have an independent country.

    malay chinese indian kadazan mat saleh iban come on get along la wei

11. Anonymous

    on June 1st, 2007
    11

    wat’s all tis merepek? if u want to know truth,wait till u’r older enough to die and after u have die,go to heaven and migrate to malaysia heaven’ then there will u meet hang tuah or wat so ever…and then u ask….remember softly use sultan’s language lyke banginda all tat….K?

12. Johnny Ong

    on June 29th, 2007
    12

    putting a link to my blog on the same topic

13. Malaysian

    on July 13th, 2007
    13

    Hang Tuah has been the hero, for centuries, in poems, stories, classical prose, etc. Yes, the next question, Why is he removed from the text book? Probably he was just a fictional character, or secondly, his origin is doubtful. A Chinese or a Malay?

    Most eastern races have a surname, INFRONT. The Hang brothers, all have a common name, a surname, an Eastern surname. Does that means he is a Chinese?

    However, it’s inevitable to say that, the locals, in some sort, have “surnames” like the Dang, Wan, etc. Probably Hang is one of them. Who knows?

    One thing is sure, the tomb of the great Hang Tuah, has not been found yet. With modern technologies spilling in, it’s pretty doubtful to say that we can’t find the tomb of the nation’s hero. It leads us to perhaps only one conclusion, is he a fictional character? Made up by the old folks to be told as stories to the young ones for motivation etc?

    At the end, the answer resolves to one thing, we can’t conclude his origin or his existence in words. Practically, yes.

14. Anonymous

    on July 21st, 2007
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    The malay race is technically from not just Malaysia but from other countries too eg phillapines, thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia etc that is why some physical features are quite similar except for the difference in Language.
    Nowadays due to the invasion from china…most sterotypes are evident.
    Bottomline is….asians are asians

15. Weird Weird Denial » Blog Archive » Hang Tuah - Taming Sari

    on July 30th, 2007
    15

    [...] Finally history has been brought upon once again. My first article for this blog was upon the origins of Hang Tuah. Well, it wasn’t for that purpose to enquire what are his origins and where he comes from. It’s more to like why the heck that the education sector is taking the study on Hang Tuah out from the Malaysian history text books? Anyway that’s another story. To read more of my this article, refer HERE. [...]

16. lion city

    on December 30th, 2007
    16

    If u guys keep searching Hang Tuah in Malaysia, fat hope! Hang Tuah dissapearance simply bec he migrated to Singapore looking for hang jebat son after his dissappointed luv wth the princess of majapahit. Singapore was attack by majapahit upon hang tuah request after hang nadim was killed by the sultan.Remember the story ‘Singapura di landa todak’….and hang nadim is the smart kid who told the sultan to plant banana tree trunk along the shores instead of using the poor citizens as fence against the ‘todak’(sword fish). Maja[ahit kingdom has got nothing to do wth hang nadim but has political connection wth hang tuah….Very long story lah guys…perhaps u malaysian guys shud call me to give a history lecture in malay classic history…

17. lion city

    on December 30th, 2007
    17

    The HANGs warriors came from china. They are muslim in china travel along with hang li po as bodyguards. Islam spread to china thru the silk road and chinese muslims brought Islam religion to malaysia,indonesia & singapore. The first state to embrace islam is Malacca, the trade hub and melting pots of all races. The silat is originated from China and the Arabs and also tribes in the Malay Archipelego. That is why The Hangs warrios are great fighters…its is like 3skills into 1 body

18. danielctw.com 3 Years CNY » Weird Weird Denial

    on February 6th, 2008
    18

    [...] time does fly. It boils to the first time I started blogging on Weird Weird Denial about the Origins of Hang Tuah, and up till now! Guessed people do learn from experience in terms of [...]

19. I_am_Malay

    on February 12th, 2008
    19

    as much as i want hang tuah to be real, or maybe Malay, i can’t help but to wonder.. did he really exist? i mean, there are so many conflicts and contradictions in history books, like Sejarah Melayu (believed to be written in 1537) and Silalatus Salatin (because i practise silat and many stuff about silat can be faound here)..

    i can’t believe i wasted two months reading those two just to find out about Hang Tuah..

    Well.. there’s this one Book that has been proved by historians had never been changed since It was first written.. i better read that One..

20. New Year in Melak » Weird Weird Denial

    on March 8th, 2008
    20

    [...] Well, I went shooting (pics) and it was a frenzy. Being like in touch with my artistic side. (Well I used to not know about the wonders of photos). Talking about Melaka somehow reminded me of my first ever post on my blog. Well it was a talk on some serious matter. Can be viewed here. [...]

21. ajie sifu

    on March 26th, 2008
    21

    Kepada semua yang terlibat memberi komen, anda memang bijak dan patut di beri penghargaan kerana mengajar
    dan memberi tunjuk ajar kepada semua, isu hang tuah berbangsa melayu atau cina atau bugis atau atau sebagainya adalah untuk memenuhi keperluan individu tertentu. Berkenaan panggilan “hang” di awalan nama Hang Tuah , Di kedah dan Perak mejoriti masyarakat melayu disana memanggil seseorang dengan panggilan Hang. Contoh “Hang pi mana” menunjukkan panggilan kepada seseorang. Terlalu banyak kajian perlu dijalankan untuk hanya mentafsirkan panggilan Hang. Yang pasti dari mana perkataan ini berasal??? Kalau Hang Tuah berbangsa Cina kenapa Bapanya bernama Hang Mahmud dan ibunya Dang Merdu… Anda semua memang bijak tetapi tidak mengkaji kenapa raja dipanggil tuanku, gelaran “Patik”, Lakab atau gelaran memang popular suatu masa dahulu, dimana ia menunjukkan status seorang “Raja” atau “pembesar” atau “orang biasa/rakyat asal” ataupun “org yang merantau” . Didalam sejarah asal melayu , hang tuah terkadang tidak dipanggil Hang tuah,tetapi dipanggil “Kiyai Tuah” atau dipanggil “Tuah” sahaja. Kerana Panggilan ” Hang ” itu ialah Gelaran semata-mata dan bukan nama. Ada juga dipanggil ” Tun Tuah” . Yang pastinya orang melayu hanya akan mengakui bangsa melayu sebagai pemilik nama “Tuah” ini. Perkataan nama ” Tuah” juga adalah bertuah bagi pemilik nama itu. Apa yang saya ingin beritahu disini, tidak mungkin Raja melayu akan melantik Pembesarnya dari kalangan bukan berbangsa melayu. ini kerana kedaulatan raja melayu itu sendiri. Di dalam adat-adat istana , kesemuanya dipegang oleh orang melayu. Tidak mungkin akan dilantik Bendahara,temenggung,laksamana, hatta pengawal istana sekalipun berbangsa melayu. Lihat dan kaji dengan teliti. Jangan ikut sedap mulut sahaja.

22. ajie sifu

    on March 26th, 2008
    22

    Kalau anda semua hendak tahu, Si Laksamana Tun Tuah ini sebenarnya Berketurunan Bugis, Dia juga adalah seorang Waliullah yang mempunyai Karamat atau Rijalulghaib. Dia telah mati , tetapi jasadnya dighaibkan . Itu urusan tuhan, kita tidak perlu tanya kenapa ia dighaibkan. Ulama-ulama islam di mesir ada menyebut , Tuah adalah wali sezaman, atau Wali kutub. Diutuskan seorang pada satu abad. Tuah juga 2 kali bertemu Nabi Khaidir , Pertama ketika diberi cembul air dan kedua ketika dia hendak ditanam hidup2. Hanya Manusia terpilih sahaja yang layak bertemu Nabi. Lagi kata Ulama-ulama ini , ketika perhimpunan Wali di bukit Kaf, Tuah dan Jebat ada bersama Wali-wali yang lain. Jadi sendiri fikirlah, siapa sebenarnya Tuah dan Jebat ini. Bukan sebarangan orang, tetapi mempunyai keramat yang tidak mampu dihuraikan oleh akal manusia. Yang pastinya kita orang islam harus berbangga dengan Laksamana Tun Tuah yang Hebat dan Termasyhur .

23. ajie sifu

    on March 26th, 2008
    23

    Berkenaan keris Taming Sari, memang benar pada sultan perak sekarang ialah keris Taming sari. Cerita tentang Tamingsari di buang tuah kedalam sungai mau pun laut adalah rekaan orang melayu dahulu, atas alasan orang-orang portugis memburu tuah dan kerisnya, kerana pergaduhan tuah dan portugis dihadapan maharaja cina telah menyimpan dendam pada portugis untuk memburu tuah dan kerisnya.
    Selepas tuah menghantar raja dan pembesar lainnya ke Perak, keris tamingsari diserahkan kepada raja, tuah kemudian kembali kemelaka untuk menyelamatkan org melayu disana. Tetapi kerana usia yang sudah lanjut dan kekuatan yang semakin berkurangan, kapal beliau semasa bertembur dgn portugis telah di bedil dgn meriam portugis, pecah lalu karam. Tuah mengundur diri dan menyelamatkan apa yng termampu. dia kemudian beramal di bukit jugra mendalami ilmu tarikat dan berakhirlah kisahnya.
    Apa yg ingin saya beritahu disini, kewujudan cerita keris tamingsari dicampak ke sungai duyung memang ada benarnya, tetapi keris itu tidak dicampak kedalam sungai duyung, cuma cerita sahaja. Ini adalah helah untuk kelirukan orang-orang portugis dari terus memburu Tamingsari. Hatta dibuat helah sekalipun , ada juga musuh dalam selimut yang bersekongkol dgn portugis ini memberitahu keris itu berada pada sultan di perak, mereka org2 portugis terus memburu, dan tamingsari disembunyikan ditempat tertentu. Sultan pula terpaksa melarikan diri kerana khuatir ditangkap portugis. Begitulah ceritanya.

24. ajie sifu

    on March 26th, 2008
    24

    Kaji tentang keris, nescaya anda akan tahu apa khasiatnya. Dapatkan buku Khasiat-khasiat keris dan senjata lama dari PSPDKK (Persatuan Seni Purba Dan Kraftangan Kelantan) . Melalui Bentuk luk keris / pamur dan sebagainya kita dapat mengenali status asal pemilik keris itu dahulunya. Dan dari mana asalnya. Sila Hubungi En Alwi di nombor 0199589119 selaku Presiden PSPDKK untuk mendapatkan Buku Khasiat Keris dan senjata lama. Harga Cuma RM 250 sebuah. Belajar melalui buku dan panduan tertentu adalah lebih baik dari mendengar cerita orang yang kadang-kadang banyak temberang dari yang benar. Betul tak apa yang saya cakap???

25. PerisaiLangkasuka

    on April 30th, 2008
    25

    My 2 cents worth:

    Hang Tuah was taken out of the history books likely cos there wasn’t sufficient evidence to prove that he really existed. Unlike the case with Tun Perak, who was widely acknowledged n documented as the commander who led the expansion of Melaka into a regional military power under the reign of Sultan Mansur Shah.

    The Chinese Hang Tuah (i.e. Hang Too Ah) hypothesis is just what it is, a hypothesis first proposed by Prof. Khoo Khay Kim of UM’s history faculty about 15 years ago. No more, no less.

    But it seems that this hypothesis has picked up some momentum (mostly spin) of its own among some Chinese, for understandable reasons, e.g. to score some political points. So much so that now we even hear it’s been spinned up to another level with talk of Hang Tuah’s DNA proving Chinese ancestry.

    Now that has to be complete bollocks, cos ya can’t get DNA without first obtaining the cells from a body or parts of body tissue, including blood, bone or hair. If ya can’t even find Hang Tuah’s proven remains, how could ya get his DNA? Stupid.

    Another hypothesis, more plausible, is that he was just an imaginary hero created by whoever created him, with the original idea inspired by the legend of Arjuna (from the Mahabhrata) n his 4 brothers of the Pandava clan, who went to war against their cousins from the Kaurava clan (i.e. battle of Kurukshetra). The Arjuna legend was then simplified into a story involving 5 very close friends, adapted to fit into Malay culture n given a Melakan flavour.

    Shades of Tun Perak, Gajah Mada, n Parameswara himself was then thrown in into the overall makeup of Hang Tuah’s character. N then, voila! You now have a Malay superhero.

26. malique

    on June 1st, 2008
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    the fact is Laksamana Cheng Ho, muslim chinese introduced Islam to nusantara. Then Parameswara visited China to tie relationship and converted to Islam. there is high possibility that Hang Tuah and friends were also muslim chinese and have close tie with kesultanan islam melaka. we have to face the reality that we have been brainwashed by ‘penjajah’ for 600 years that we are not told the true history. Please take your time, make research who is Laksamana@admiral cheng ho@zheng he, link between turki uthmaniyah, acheh and malacca, islam in china, the decline of muslim chinese influence during colony and so on.

    “takkan melayu hilang di dunia” - my opinion, here hang tuah was referring to “islam”.

27. kasut78

    on July 2nd, 2008
    27

    Assalamualaikum , hi n hello…. well im a malay n a muslim to. for me a… the fact is still the fact… if the fact is hang tuah is malay so is malay a….if chinese so chinese a………in muslim we all thought that all of the human being in this small round little so called world is came from one person is NABI ADAM and that what make we all should be unite. sooooo…..nomatter what ur race if ur are muslim we are brothers bro……..so bangla..chinese..PATI..malay and what ever race ur are the fact is we are HUMAN and have many similarities in many ways.. look at ur self is the samething we all do and feel broo…… so fact is human is HUMAN not homo sapien we are not a spicies…….we are the ruler in this place called planet dude!!!!! so act like one kay……… i dont see any not human in this column da…… so fact is still the fact………
    fact is im human and human in islam is khalif in this planet with many good facto reason why we are…. so luv u all human…….

28. nor

    on July 21st, 2008
    28

    hi all.
    sorry, i’m looking for any one who can speak and writing Portuguese.This is for part time translation job. Who ever interested please cal me asap. 03-5569 1788

29. andi hang tuah is chinese

    on August 1st, 2008
    29

    Orang bugis bone d sabah. Adalah bugis yg paling berjaya mengalahkan penduduk peribumi.

30. Zack56

    on August 15th, 2008
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    Petikan daripada Genomics.Energy.Gov .

    WILL GENETIC ANTHROPOLOGY ESTABLISH SCIENTIFIC CRITERIA FOR RACE OR ETHNICITY?

    DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other. Indeed, it has been proven that there is more genetic variation within races than exists between them.

31. Zack56

    on August 15th, 2008
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    Hang Tuah bukan nama sebenarnya,beliau mempunyai nama aslinya yang rahsia buat kami memberitahu anda anda semua dan beliau adalah Bangsa Melayu Bugis dari wilayah Riau.

    Memang selama ini kita orang Melayu telah diperbodoh-bodohkan oleh para sejarahwan tentang makam Hang Tuah yang diMelaka.Itu adalah kuil Hindu dan rekayasa sematamata.

    Kami cabar semua ahli scientists, archaeologist dan para sejarahwan untuk membuktikan dimanakah terletaknya MAKAM HANG TUAH sebenarnya.Jikalau para ilmuan semua tidak dapat buktikan kedudukannya,saya minta lah sangat janganlah Tuan Tuan semua perbodoh-bodohkan lagi orang Melayu.

    Para scientists, archaeologist dan para sejarahwan
    dari United State, United Kingdom, Germany, Canada, Yemen & Russia yang dinyatakan oleh John Chow tentang penemuan DNA Hang Hang tersebut dari Cina adalah pembohongan dan ada unsur Politik Ketuanan sematamata.Mereka tidak dapat menemukan MAKAM HANG TUAH sebenarnya jadi bagaimana hendak dapatkan tulang tulangnya untuk dibuat kajian dan bukti?

    Menurut orang tua tua kami dahulu,dengan menyebut nama rahsianya;beliau adalah Panglima terbilang yang pernah berikhmat dengan keSultanan Melaka dahulu dan pulang kenegeri asalnya untuk menghilangkan rasa sedih dan kecewanya setelah kematian sahabatnya.

    Nah itu hanya sedikit saja dapat saya terangkan cukup disitu.Para sejarahwan mencatatkan,Hang Tuah ghaib setelah kematian Hang Jebat.Memang beliau ghaib,tetapi bukan tiada kuburnya.

    Orang dulu dulu sememangnya suka menghilangkan diri dari satu tempat ketempat yang lain tanpa diketahui oleh orang lain.Hang Tuah memang pulang ketempat asalnya.

32. Zack56

    on August 15th, 2008
    32

    Kita dapat tahu tentang pengkajian dan penemuan tulang tulang Hang Hang tersebut oleh orang asing sama ada benar atau tidak.Sedangkan Makam Hang Tuah berada di daerah Riau.Ini yang saya nak ketengahkan sebab saya sudah ketempatnya.

    Siapa saja boleh buat akuan dan penulisan mengenai penemuan tulang tulang tersebut sebab kerajaan Malaysia telah menghentikan kurikulum disekolah.Ini lah peluang mereka!

    Sebenarnya saya dan kami dilarang untuk memberi butir butir terperinci cukup dengan clue clue yang telah saya ajukan.

    Tentang Keris Taming Sari,saya ada dengar ianya berada ditangan Sultan Perak.Tapi tak boleh saya nyatakan benar atau tidak,rahsia but kami.

33. me!

    on August 20th, 2008
    33

    aiyah..susah2 saja fikir..actually, we all mix blood la..we’re asian dats y la got chinese dna, but actually we came from the same root..dun u wanna knw where chinese came from?maybe all of us is from cambodia..some people said we’re from india..ok..im making myself confused..thanks for the info!

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